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Finn

Discussion Starter · Nov 13, 2013

Hi ALL
I have recently bought a new Antara 2 wheel drive version, about 550 miles on the clock now , I have seen already that there seems to be a common problem with the fan comming on, after every journey......I contacted my dealer and they say this is normal, I have never owned a carthat does this on every journey so am unsue that this is correct.

I have read some the forum on this subject and there seems to be lots of people saying it is the" Regen" with out sounding thick what is that? Thanks in advance.

Other than this so far I am made up with the car.

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Dave47

· #2 · Nov 13, 2013

Hi Finn, and welcome to the forum.
I would suggest that you look in the dpf threads, there are many, and you should find all the info you need.

I see that you are in Cheshire, so look forward to seeing you on the roads around and about.

Post your colour and I will look out for you.

HoneyMonster

· #3 · Nov 13, 2013

Hello fan will also be on if you have aircon selected. As well as diesel particulate filter (DPF ) cleaning cycle, so another thing to consider.

Finn

Discussion Starter · #4 · Nov 13, 2013

Cheers for the reply Dave mine too is the Placid Grey....

Finn

Discussion Starter · #5 · Nov 13, 2013

Thanks For the reply...Going to keep my eye on it, but if it carries on I will book it in with the dealer as a fault. The funny thing is there are no lights on the dash that would indicate anything untoward...

Lyndsay0505

· #6 · Nov 14, 2013

Hi fin. I would suggest you do a manual regen. I bought my antara 9 weeks ago not having even done 2k miles on it, My dpf light came on about 10 days ago and then went in to safe mode as it couldn't clean itself, I had to take it to arnold clark who told me I had to manually regen once a week and that the filter was completely clogged( which was due to the previous owner and not being checked before sale) Initially the showroom I bought it from they told me the unit would be replaced under warranty as there could be damage but my local dealership refused this and just did a manual regen and used 1/4 tank of fuel before giving me it back. Picked it up tonight all is ok so far but I'll keep an eye on it too. Once a week does seem ridiculous and uses a lot of fuel which I didn't cost for before buying

I'm currently going to try and activate my trip computer so I can see when it's doing a regen to try and save on all the guesswork but I'd do a manual regen ASAP to get it cleaned

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wilma08

· #7 · Nov 14, 2013

Arnold Clark are talking through a hole in there head your car won't regen every week some peoples regen miles range from every 350miles to over 500miles if you read the DPF section on this forum, I have only noticed once when it done it and that was around 450 mile mark after I got my car in May 2013 I have since done wait for it 6666 as of today and I think it done one the other day but cannot be certain.

Look up the section DPF in the forum it gives some in site from people that have been monitoring it.
What color is your Antara you are only 25 miles from I stay, have you seen a lot of Antara up your way, I have I was going to talk to a couple of them but changed my mind they might think I am some kind of weirdo lol
Enjoy your car Lindsay

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Dilligaf

· #8 · Nov 15, 2013

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what do you mean by think that you're some kind of weirdo Wilma ???

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wilma08

· #9 · Nov 15, 2013

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You cheeky bugger

you know what I mean lol
I will go up to someone in a car park and say hay you are you in the Antara's owners club they will either say no or look at me and think crazy wee women and run away laughing to themselves

Yip weirdo comes to mind

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Finn

Discussion Starter · #10 · Nov 15, 2013

Hi
And thanks for the replies, It was fine yesterday with several short journeys fandid not come on once, then drive to work this morning and its happend again...so what I am thinking it may not be a REGEN I wonder if the sensor on the fan is faulty.

I spoke to the dealer who has reasured me everything is under warrantay and not to worry if it needs anything. I have a long drive at weekend so I am going to see how it is after that as I have only done about 600 miles.
I doapprox 15 to 20 k a year but this week been stuck in the office,I hope that once the milage buildsup maybe this problem will disapear.

Comments please.

Alll The Best Finn.

♠ChumBucket♠

· #11 · Nov 15, 2013

Finn said:
Hi
And thanks for the replies, It was fine yesterday with several short journeys fandid not come on once, then drive to work this morning and its happend again...so what I am thinking it may not be a REGEN I wonder if the sensor on the fan is faulty.

I spoke to the dealer who has reasured me everything is under warrantay and not to worry if it needs anything. I have a long drive at weekend so I am going to see how it is after that as I have only done about 600 miles.
I doapprox 15 to 20 k a year but this week been stuck in the office,I hope that once the milage buildsup maybe this problem will disapear.

Comments please.

Alll The Best Finn.

The chances are, you have not been completing a full regen cycle from start to finish in one go. If you interrupt a regen, it will begin again on the next journey & so on. If you have no BC then it's hard/impossible to tell when a regen is occuring- crazy I know, even with a BC it's only down to the fuel consumption that you can tell, nothing that VX supply or inform you of!!
At least if a light came on to indicate a regen it would enable the driver to make the decision whether to complete it or not.

Inchindown

· #12 · Nov 15, 2013

Finn said:
Hi
And thanks for the replies, It was fine yesterday with several short journeys fan did not come on once, then drive to work this morning and its happend again...so what I am thinking it may not be a REGEN I wonder if the sensor on the fan is faulty.

I spoke to the dealer who has reasured me everything is under warrantay and not to worry if it needs anything. I have a long drive at weekend so I am going to see how it is after that as I have only done about 600 miles.
I do approx 15 to 20 k a year but this week been stuck in the office, I hope that once the milage builds up maybe this problem will disapear.

Comments please.

Alll The Best Finn.

Most people on here seem to get a regen about every 500 miles or so. I get them about every 520 miles. When it happens there are some indicators that it is happening. Instant MPG goes down, idling MPG goes from about 0.1 Gals per hour to around 0.7 Gals per hours and the Coasting MPG goes from 999.9 to something under 100. All these figures assume a level road and that you have a trip computer.

You only get a light if your car fails to complete a number of automatic regen attempts. First you will get a steady light which indicates your filter is beginning to fill up. When possible you should try to do a run on the open road when this happens and keep you revs above 2000 and your speed above 30. If you are unable to complete a regen after the steady light comes on, the next stage is the light will flash. This indicates your filter is almost full and you are advised to take action as soon as possible to get the car to complete a cleaning cycle.

If you fail to do this, your filter will become completely blocked and this could cause damage to your car which may not be covered by your warranty.

For most people the DPF system is not a problem, so don't be too concerned about it unless you are getting some very strange MPG figures. This could mean you have a fault.

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Lyndsay0505

· #13 · Nov 15, 2013

Hi Wilma haha don't be shy maybe we will bump in to one another at some point, I've a white antara L plate, what have you got? I think arnold clark were suggesting manual regens to clear it weekly which is nonsense but that's what they ' recommend'. I've trawled through posts about the dpf, mine was clogged by the previous owner presumably or it's faulty and the only way to resolve it was to get a dealer to clear it. I'm gna try get my trip comp activated so I can see if it's doing a regen and not damage my car if it fails to complete it all the time.

wilma08

· #14 · Nov 15, 2013

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Lyndsay0505 said:
Hi Wilma haha don't be shy maybe we will bump in to one another at some point, I've a white antara L plate, what have you got? I think arnold clark were suggesting manual regens to clear it weekly which is nonsense but that's what they ' recommend'. I've trawled through posts about the dpf, mine was clogged by the previous owner presumably or it's faulty and the only way to resolve it was to get a dealer to clear it. I'm gna try get my trip comp activated so I can see if it's doing a regen and not damage my car if it fails to complete it all the time.

Hi Lindsay i have a white SENAV starting with SL13 lol i do have a private plate but to lazy to get it on i am glad you are liking you car i love mine, i will try not to be shy lol (but weirdo does come to mind) i go to Stirling quite a few times in the summer, i bought a Corsa up at the vauxhall garage a few years back, but i got the Anatra in Falkirk as i did not like the service at the Stirling garage,
hope you get the trip computer going, but to be honest i never really watch it i just drive, happily along

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TisMe

· #15 · Nov 15, 2013

One small thing I would say on this DPF gizmo. With the cold mornings I leave it ticking over, warming up for a bit to de-ice, I just lock the door with the spare key and watch it on my drive from the house CCTV, tea in hand.

I notice there's nothing apparent coming from the exhaust, no clouds of steam, no sooty spots, no smell, so I guess it may be a pain but works..

Inchindown

· #16 · Nov 15, 2013

â™ ChumBucketâ™ said:
Finn said:

Hi
And thanks for the replies, It was fine yesterday with several short journeys fan did not come on once, then drive to work this morning and its happened again...so what I am thinking it may not be a REGEN I wonder if the sensor on the fan is faulty.

I spoke to the dealer who has reasured me everything is under warrantay and not to worry if it needs anything. I have a long drive at weekend so I am going to see how it is after that as I have only done about 600 miles.
I do approx 15 to 20 k a year but this week been stuck in the office, I hope that once the milage builds up maybe this problem will disapear.

Comments please.

Alll The Best Finn.

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The chances are, you have not been completing a full regen cycle from start to finish in one go. If you interrupt a regen, it will begin again on the next journey & so on. If you have no BC then it's hard/impossible to tell when a regen is occuring- crazy I know, even with a BC it's only down to the fuel consumption that you can tell, nothing that VX supply or inform you of!!
At least if a light came on to indicate a regen it would enable the driver to make the decision whether to complete it or not.

To some extent the Antara does have a warning system to tell you that a regen is necessary.

DPF cleaning on the Antara is a 3 stage process.

The first stage is during normal driving and this is where the DPF tries to do an automatic regen. You don't really need a warning this is happening, although it might have been something that should have been included. In any case, it is not really necessary to know that an automatic regen is taking place, and it does not matter that much if a regen cycle fails to complete. The car will make a number of attempts to complete a regen before it moves to stage 2.

The second stage is the DPF warning light comes on in a steady state to warn you that your filter has not managed to clean itself during normal driving. At this point you are recommended to drive the car with the revs above 2000 and your speed above 30 mph until the light goes out. If you do not complete a regen at this stage we move on to stage 3.

The third stage is when the DPF warning light begins to flash. This is telling you that the DPF is close to becoming full and it is imperative you commence driving with your revs above 2000 and your speed above 30 on your next journey in order to clean the filter. If you get to this stage, you have the potential to do damage to the car, so it is a good idea not to ignore it.

So as long as you don't ignore the warning lights, the DPF will never be a problem unless there is a real fault in the system.

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♠ChumBucket♠

· #17 · Nov 15, 2013

Inchindown said:
♠ChumBucket♠ said:

Finn said:

Hi
And thanks for the replies, It was fine yesterday with several short journeys fandid not come on once, then drive to work this morning and its happened again...so what I am thinking it may not be a REGEN I wonder if the sensor on the fan is faulty.

I spoke to the dealer who has reasured me everything is under warrantay and not to worry if it needs anything. I have a long drive at weekend so I am going to see how it is after that as I have only done about 600 miles.
I doapprox 15 to 20 k a year but this week been stuck in the office,I hope that once the milage buildsup maybe this problem will disapear.

Comments please.

Alll The Best Finn.

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The chances are, you have not been completing a full regen cycle from start to finish in one go. If you interrupt a regen, it will begin again on the next journey & so on. If you have no BC then it's hard/impossible to tell when a regen is occuring- crazy I know, even with a BC it's only down to the fuel consumption that you can tell, nothing that VX supply or inform you of!!
At least if a light came on to indicate a regen it would enable the driver to make the decision whether to complete it or not.

Click to expand...

To some extent the Antara does have a warning system to tell you that a regen is necessary.

DPF cleaning on the Antara is a 3 stage process.

The first stage is during normal driving and this is where the DPF tries to do an automatic regen. You don't really need a warning this is happening, although it might have been something that should have been included. In any case, it is not really necessary to know that an automatic regen is taking place, and it does not matter that much if a regen cycle fails to complete. The car will make a number of attempts to complete a regen before it moves to stage 2.

The second stage is the DPF warning light comes on in a steady state to warn you that your filter has not managed to clean itself during normal driving. At this point you are recommended to drive the car with the revs above 2000 and your speed above 30 mph until the light goes out. If you do not complete a regen at this stage we move on to stage 3.

The third stage is when the DPF warning light begins to flash. This is telling you that the DPF is close to becoming full and it is imperative you commence driving with your revs above 2000 and your speed above 30 on your next journey in order to clean the filter. If you get to this stage, you have the potential to do damage to the car, so it is a good idea not to ignore it.

So as long as you don't ignore the warning lights, the DPF will never be a problem unless there is a real fault in the system.

I disagree that it's not necessary to know in the initial stage- unless you have money to burn on fuel!! If you are doing short journeys with repeated DPF regen attempts then the system will drink some serious juice!
If the driver knew when any initial regen was occurring, they would at least have the oppertuinity to complete it in one go- the best solution by far.

Inchindown

· #18 · Nov 15, 2013

â™ ChumBucketâ™ said:
Inchindown said:

â™ ChumBucketâ™ said:

Finn said:

Hi
And thanks for the replies, It was fine yesterday with several short journeys fan did not come on once, then drive to work this morning and its happened again...so what I am thinking it may not be a REGEN I wonder if the sensor on the fan is faulty.

I spoke to the dealer who has reasured me everything is under warrantay and not to worry if it needs anything. I have a long drive at weekend so I am going to see how it is after that as I have only done about 600 miles.
I do approx 15 to 20 k a year but this week been stuck in the office, I hope that once the milage builds up maybe this problem will disapear.

Comments please.

Alll The Best Finn.

Click to expand...

The chances are, you have not been completing a full regen cycle from start to finish in one go. If you interrupt a regen, it will begin again on the next journey & so on. If you have no BC then it's hard/impossible to tell when a regen is occuring- crazy I know, even with a BC it's only down to the fuel consumption that you can tell, nothing that VX supply or inform you of!!
At least if a light came on to indicate a regen it would enable the driver to make the decision whether to complete it or not.

Click to expand...

To some extent the Antara does have a warning system to tell you that a regen is necessary.

DPF cleaning on the Antara is a 3 stage process.

The first stage is during normal driving and this is where the DPF tries to do an automatic regen. You don't really need a warning this is happening, although it might have been something that should have been included. In any case, it is not really necessary to know that an automatic regen is taking place, and it does not matter that much if a regen cycle fails to complete. The car will make a number of attempts to complete a regen before it moves to stage 2.

The second stage is the DPF warning light comes on in a steady state to warn you that your filter has not managed to clean itself during normal driving. At this point you are recommended to drive the car with the revs above 2000 and your speed above 30 mph until the light goes out. If you do not complete a regen at this stage we move on to stage 3.

The third stage is when the DPF warning light begins to flash. This is telling you that the DPF is close to becoming full and it is imperative you commence driving with your revs above 2000 and your speed above 30 on your next journey in order to clean the filter. If you get to this stage, you have the potential to do damage to the car, so it is a good idea not to ignore it.

So as long as you don't ignore the warning lights, the DPF will never be a problem unless there is a real fault in the system.

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I disagree that it's not necessary to know in the initial stage- unless you have money to burn on fuel!! If you are doing short journeys with repeated DPF regen attempts then the system will drink some serious juice!
If the driver knew when any initial regen was occurring, they would at least have the oppertuinity to complete it in one go- the best solution by far.

I don't really disagree with what you say, and I did mention I thought it would have been a good idea to have some sort of indicator to show when an automatic regen is taking place.

I would say though that a 2+ litre diesel is probably not the best type of car in the world if all you are going to do is short trips. I think in those circumstances any large diesel car is going to cause problems with the DPF system.

I'm all for providing more information and control for the driver.

TisMe

· #19 · Nov 15, 2013

Inchindown said:
♠ChumBucket♠ said:

...I would say though that a 2+ litre diesel is probably not the best type of car in the world if all you are going to do is short trips. I think in those circumstances any large diesel car is going to cause problems with the DPF system...

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Of course, if your mileage is low yet you fancy an Antara by style/spec/deal, there ain't a lot of choice in engines..

Lyndsay0505

· #20 · Nov 15, 2013

I have to say I never got a stage 2 warning light about my dpf, I've done 1300 miles in it since i bought it and never had a light come on until it flashed a few times, went off, then went in to safe mode by which time it was too late and had to take it to the dealer. This was the first time i ever saw this light as on another thread i questioned whether it existed. Considering it can cause so much damage and is extortionate to replace as its not under warranty there should be a better system in place. Willma I've never used the stirling garage before I've heard some bad reviews from other family members so I stayed away, I went to Inverness for my antara kinda bought it before i saw it haha. I'll look out for sl13 ill be the weirdo to wave and it won't be you

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