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Well first of all my first impressions are "wow,omg". i have just taken delivery of my new antara. 210bhp,450torque in summit white with titanium leather se nav auto. What has taken me is the fuel consumption in the first 100 miles. when i collected the car it had 2 miles and 1/2 a tank of fuel.yes 1/2 tank.so filled it to the brim and reset all parameters. I drive 1 mile to a dual cariage way and then onto m/way.by the time i had got to my destination it was returning 37.7mpgthis was at 60 with me driving. then on the return trip i turned the eco button and set the cruize to 65.it returned me 35.5

tbc as going out a min .lol
will post some pix soon
 

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Well first of all my first impressions are "wow,omg". i have just taken delivery of my new antara. 210bhp,450torque in summit white with titanium leather se nav auto. What has taken me is the fuel consumption in the first 100 miles. when i collected the car it had 2 miles and 1/2 a tank of fuel.yes 1/2 tank.so filled it to the brim and reset all parameters. I drive 1 mile to a dual cariage way and then onto m/way.by the time i had got to my destination it was returning 37.7mpgthis was at 60 with me driving. then on the return trip i turned the eco button and set the cruize to 65.it returned me 35.5

tbc as going out a min .lol
will post some pix soon

Hi Smino and congratulations on collecting your new Antara



I hope that you continue to enjoy it and have many years of happy motoring
 

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That sounds really promising hope you enjoy as meany a drive as you have had today
 

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hi all im back now after having taken the wife to ikea. yes the remap was done via vx due to they had made a delay in getting me the car in time..so with the fuel consumption as it is i am a very happy chappy. very nice crisp lighting giving a very wide angle.seating position impecable and nice and high giving a safe feeling.drove the car today approx 15m dual carriage way and 20m around cardiff city driving. the mpg when returning home was 34.2.so very pleased with that.tyres where set at 37.7 all round giving a slightly harder ride but still comfortable.
So it has beaten me how these jumped up review artists can sl*g down such a wonderful car. i think every thing about it is so good and for the price it will knock spots of others for the same price.
well worth the wait.will upload some pix when i find a suitable place to show it off well
 

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smino said:
hi all im back now after having taken the wife to ikea. yes the remap was done via vx due to they had made a delay in getting me the car in time..so with the fuel consumption as it is i am a very happy chappy. very nice crisp lighting giving a very wide angle.seating position impecable and nice and high giving a safe feeling.drove the car today approx 15m dual carriage way and 20m around cardiff city driving. the mpg when returning home was 34.2.so very pleased with that.tyres where set at 37.7 all round giving a slightly harder ride but still comfortable.
So it has beaten me how these jumped up review artists can sl*g down such a wonderful car. i think every thing about it is so good and for the price it will knock spots of others for the same price.
well worth the wait.will upload some pix when i find a suitable place to show it off well
Was it your dealer that did the re map or did it come from vx like that. Weird that vx would remap a car when they tell everyone that remapping invalidates your warranty. I wish they would make their mind up.

Apart from that you must have a Good dealer to compensate you for the delay. I got bugger all.
 

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hi grumps. yes it was paid for by part vx and part dealer and part me by £135. the dealer had a nonsense rep that wanted to play x box games all day. and forgot to put my order thru for 4 weeks. then vx said that it should only take 16 weeks from order to built but mine took 20. so they each made a compensation and i paid the rest. both where really good even phoned me not me having to ring them.they do it via thorney remap .obviously they get it cheaper than i can get it but im not worried about that. really impressed with car so far. had some cars in my time but this does take some beating.
 

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Was thinking of having mine remapped. Vauxhall will invalidate the warranty on the engine and drive train if any faults that occurr can be attributed to the remap, well thats what the call centre in Carlisle told me 2 weeks ago. They also told me that Vauxhall do not approveof anything which takes the vehicle away from manufacturers spec.
I may well go down the Thorney Motorsport route for a remap as they cover any faults caused for 10 years.....i.e. anything that Vauxhall will not cover because of a remap.

I unable to find any reports on the Thorneyremapped Antara as to what fuel consumption benefitsare actually been achieved.
A couple of people on another website said they have had it done and would report back as to the fuel benefits and upto now they have not done so which just leaves me wondering

I did speak to my insurers about this and they told me in no uncertain terms that ifI have the remap done then I will have to look for another insurance company as they will not cover it










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on the thorney web site they advertise that it will improve consumption by upto 10%.not that much really but it all helps.what i am led to believe is that Thorney are in conjunction with vx due to a owner complaining about the mpg figure advertised and actual mpg not being able to be achieved. basically they done this to shut the owner up.they actually fit a new ecu.my dealer charges £435 to do this so i dont know why they are telling you its not covered. its done by them.
 

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Service Request number -





Dear



Further to our telephone conversation on 15 April 2013 regarding your Vauxhall Antara, registration number .



In relation to your query regarding having your vehicle mapped with Thorney Motorsports I can now advise that the information given to me from Vauxhalls Technical team was slightly incorrect.



I can now confirm the correct information. If you have your vehicle mapped with Thorney Motorsport and any problems occur with your vehicle that is related to the mapping then this issue would not be covered under your warranty. This repair would be covered by Thorney Motorsport.



I can also advise that Vauxhall would not recommend any modifications to your vehicle as it is taking it away from the Manufacturers specification.



I apologise for the incorrect information originally given to yourself. I hope I have now answered your question. If you need to discuss this matter with me further please contact me on 0844 3690112 quoting the Service Request number detailed above.



Yours sincerely

Yvonne Read

Vauxhall Customer Care
 

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piddy said:
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<div ="c_clr"="">Here is an editedemail from VX Customer Services. I spoke to them on the phone and they gave me the wrong information. I told them that they were wrong but they were having none of it until a couple of days later when they backed down
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Service Request number -





Dear



Further to our telephone conversation on 15 April 2013 regarding your Vauxhall Antara, registration number .



In relation to your query regarding having your vehicle mapped with Thorney Motorsports I can now advise that the information given to me from Vauxhalls Technical team was slightly incorrect.



I can now confirm the correct information. If you have your vehicle mapped with Thorney Motorsport and any problems occur with your vehicle that is related to the mapping then this issue would not be covered under your warranty. This repair would be covered by Thorney Motorsport.



I can also advise that Vauxhall would not recommend any modifications to your vehicle as it is taking it away from the Manufacturers specification.



I apologise for the incorrect information originally given to yourself. I hope I have now answered your question. If you need to discuss this matter with me further please contact me on 0844 3690112 quoting the Service Request number detailed above.



Yours sincerely

Yvonne Read

Vauxhall Customer Care

Hi Piddy, to be honest I am not at all surprised by the change of heart by Vauxhall themselves as I have, until Smino posted his message that they have "part paid" for a remap, been unable to find anyone online who has categorically stated that the Vauxhall warranty from themselves, was not affected.


I am not at all knowledgeable on the subject but I have been reading up and searching the web for instances of car manufacturers covering an engine remap without any success.


My own concern about this whole engine remapping situation is that a company such as Thorney categorically state that they will provide a "warranty" on their remapping which they agree, Vauxhall themselves will not. They then say that they will cover anything that Vauxhall will not.


For me that is a problem because if Vauxhall say that having the engine remapped will invalidate the warranty, then it stands that Thorney (and others) would need to pick up the whole warranty but that aren't because if they did, they would no0t have published that they will cover anything that Vauxhall don't.


Basically I would have assumed that Thorney would have just stated on their website that although Vauxhall will invalidate their own warranty if a remap was done on the engine, then we (Thorney) will provide a whole car warranty cover and not just on the engine remap.


I just can't imagine that Thorney would happily provide warranty cover on say, a suspension issue, when they themselves had no need to touch it while doing the remap.


I may be totally off the mark but if someone else who is more knowledgeable than I on the subject, has a different slant on things, I would be delighted to read about them.
 

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I should have added to my post Piddy that insurance companies are looking for any excuse to invalidate an insurance claim and if they learn that an engine remap has been done without their knowledge, then your onto "rice" in the event of a claim.

Unfortunately an engine remap is considered as a modification and once more insurance companies are very likely not to continue coverage when advised of such a modification.


I know that Admiral will not cover any such modification and there will be others but I believe some companies will continue the insurance for an additional premium.


About 7 years ago I was working within Wishaw Police Office when a young chap brought a HORT/1 to produce his documents, after having been stopped by the traffic department for displaying "blue" lights underneath his car. I knew the young man so I know that what follows is absolutely true.


He had received an on the spot fine and when it came to his insurance renewal he mentioned that he had accepted and paid a fine for the lights. The insurance company (Admiral) then told him that they would not be renewing his policy as he had failed to notify them of the "modification" and their policy is that any modification (advised or not) will immediately nullify the insurance.


He then tried to get insurance elsewhere but couldn't as his name, address and car number were recorded as having car insurance "refused".


Instead of his premium being around the £600 mark, any company that did offer him insurance were quoting about £2000 as he was deemed to be high risk.
 

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I enquired about a remap when renewing my insurance. It would increase my premium by £50. Wich is another cost factor that needs to be calculated and needs to be covered by the increase in mpg.Edited by: Dilligaf
 

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The whole thing is a can of worms..my understanding is that if the fault is caused by the remap VX won't touch it but Thorney will to the full extent of the 10 year warranty but there is an assumption that Throrney will still be here in 10 years time
What happens if VX will not cover something because they claim it was caused by an engine remap and the remap company say that it wasn't the remap that caused the problem. You would then have VX and the remap company arguing between themselves as to who is at fault and the victim would be the car owner. it could all get very messy.

If a remap gives you another 4 mpg and the remap costs £499, my thoughts are that the remap is notgiving you much at all and you can buy a hell of alot of fuel with £499

As for insurance, strangley enough I got a quote from Admiral and for engine remap, towbar and side steps they want £320 fully comp, without the remap they only want £246




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Ouch that's a big difference and alot to make back in your mpg.My mpg seams to have increased well since it's first service and I know diesel engines have to loosen up before the mpg gets better.
I had a Peugeot 2l diesel, and after 10,000 miles the mpg increased very well. A friend at work had 2.2 awd and reckons that took 20,000 miles being a bigger engine.Only time will tell.
 

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Ouch that's a big difference and alot to make back in your mpg.My mpg seams to have increased well since it's first service and I know diesel engines have to loosen up before the mpg gets better.
I had a Peugeot 2l diesel, and after 10,000 miles the mpg increased very well. A friend at work had 2.2 awd and reckons that took 20,000 miles being a bigger engine.Only time will tell.

How much more mpg do you think you are getting Andy ?
 

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I averaged 37mpg on last tank full after a regen. This tank I have done just over 100 miles and at the moment averaging 40 mpg but will have another regen in about 150 miles.
Used to average 33-35 mpg so I'm pleased at the moment.
 

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Well that's a good improvement and as long as the figures continue to improve, you'll be happy and the rest of us will be patiently waiting for our first service to come around.

Happy regen when it comes
 
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